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mike's avatar

Autism diagnosis is deliberately held up in the UK with these fake created waiting lists to control welfare expenditure.

Also the real figures if published would be shocking there were 3 kids in my son`s nursery group of 30 kids with autism including my son in 2018.

There`s about 4 other young people down my street 5-24 with it too, including a young woman who has these wild meltdowns where police have to me called, she recently became a mother herself.

I live on an ordinary council estate street in the UK

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Jane Wills's avatar

I agree Mike. It's everywhere and yet the people in charge - even the National Autistic Society - don't talk about it. A shocking indictment of our society. We have to tell parents to stop vaccinating their children. It's the only way to free the next generation from the kinds of neurological damage done to our children. Even then the mothers' immune systems are damaged so the children will be impacted that way.

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GregB's avatar

We do need proper research though, as you have already written. Maybe for some vaccines, the risk benefit ratio suggests that they are worthwhile, but I have zero expertise in this matter.

As you write "professional group-think" reigns powerfully!

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Valerie Nelson's avatar

Parents do have to stop vaccinating their children and therein lies the problem because it’s up to them to make the decision in the face of massive pressure from health professionals who expect them to conform and judge them when they don’t. A friend of my daughter did all her research about vaccines so was fully aware of the benefit risk profile but still went ahead with massive doubts and still feels uneasy about her decision. It came down to the threat of something dreadful happening to her children without vaccination rather than something dreadful happening with it. Health professionals are never going to help with this benefit risk analysis which is very hard for parents to do in the absence of their support.

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Rob Kay's avatar

We also need to count the cost to society in cash terms. My son has a triple diagnosis of DS, ASD and T1 Diabetes, he is 30 and lives in his lovely terraced house in a quiet village. We/He employs 6 members of staff through a direct payment at a cost to the Local Authority of £150k, and he claims top rate welfare benefits of around £25k. Add the medical costs and it rises.

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Jane Wills's avatar

I agree Rob. The cost is enormous. Billions a year.

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Rob Kay's avatar

Its nice to employ local people and I regard them as a great team, but that is also a huge loss of their productivity, when you think about it: if my son was able bodied then their energy could go into boosting the UK economy instead.

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Rob Kay's avatar

Jordan was born with Downs Syndrome - (My wife was aged 40 when this little bundle of fun happened along)! and dual diagnosis with Autism is quite common - (and there are lots of other associated risks like Leukaemia and Diabetes - these are clearly not caused by vaccines, but rather by that sneaky Trisomy 21 - which occurs at the point of conception.

Just saying because its important to realise that a) Autism may cover a wide spectrum of conditions and b) it isn't all vaccine damage. Jordan's next door neighbour 'S' has epilepsy and one of her three lovely children is severely autistic - very limited speech and needs constant support. Is the epilepsy also related? Who knows?

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Tonya's avatar

Epilepsy is a common comorbidity among autistics, and diabetes can also be vaccine-induced.

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Rob Kay's avatar

Yes, and this is clearly a very tangled web of associations. I think we need to avoid the obvious trap of looking for a single factor to blame, and go far deeper - sadly I think our current 'Science' is mostly in its infancy, but we have little time left: this is one of the most important and mysterious human crises we face, and far more dangerous than e.g. climate change.

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mike's avatar

The National Autistic Society is made up of those who would have formally been diagnosed with Asperger's, under DSMIV. A very different condition where to be diagnosed intelligence and speech had to be normal.

Asperger's was usually recognised and diagnosed in the teen years, so has little impact on autism CDC figures that are in 8 years olds, who usually have the old disabling autism, since the logic being the younger you are at being spotted and diagnosed the worse the autism, it being more likely autism not the more functioning Asperger's.

They were merged together as two separate conditions to make it deliberately harder for science to find the cause of what is now Autism, i.e. the coverup. Since merging two different separate conditions would naturally corrupt any causation data, unfortunately this also extends into autism drug trials that have all failed for this very reason.

Those with Asperger's were then sold into the idea of Neurodiversity and identity politics, loudly being anti cure and finally conveniently anti autism research.

This was largely pushed and funded by those who want to cover up what`s going on, telling neurotic people what they always wanted to hear, that others and society are to blame for their failures rather than their own brain, also forsaking those who had the original disabling autism rather than the new more neurotic ASD. Those with the old increasing autism became buried under a mountain of almost normal people including celebrities proclaiming they have autism.

So, no I wouldn’t expect anything of value from any so called Autism group unless it was run by the parents themselves.

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Tonya's avatar

I have so many people in my circle *complaining* about Kennedy’s efforts to find the cause of the actual and dramatic rise in autism.

They needn't worry; Kennedy will not force it on them. If they want to continue pretending, he will let them. But at least they will be offered a choice between the truth or the lie.

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Eccentrik's avatar

as various studies indicate, levels of aluminum (common adjuvant in vaccines) appears significantly higher in brains of autistic individuals... https://eccentrik.substack.com/p/new-paper-evidence-showing-childhood

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The key study that helps to explain the relative impact of the different toxicants that contribute to causing autism was led by Sally Ozonoff at UC Davis. Using a brilliant study design she showed that up to 88% of autism cases are characterized by autistic regression — the child was developing normally and then suddenly over the course of hours, days, or weeks the child lost eye contact, speech, and the ability to socialize with others. This suggests an acute toxic exposure and we now have eyewitness testimony from hundreds of thousands of parents that the acute toxic exposure that preceded the autistic regression was a “well baby” vaccine appointment with a pediatrician.

"Cumulative burden" sounds intuitively right but it's incorrect. The best scientific research shows that up to 88% of autism cases are caused by an acute toxic exposure — sudden, not gradual. It's the vaccines.

doi.org/10.1002/aur.1943

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Jane Wills's avatar

Thanks for the link to this paper. I hadn't seen it. Our experience of regression chimes with other parent accounts and the toxic shock is real. However, the cumulative impact of vaccines from the mother as well as prior in the child may well make the impact greater. Presumably, it can be both? I think the rates of immune damage are a sign of worse to come; from ezcema, asthma and hay-fever in one generation to autism in the next. Doesn't this make sense?

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Hans Peder From's avatar

https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-do-vaccines-cause-autism

At this level of detail, I don’t have the knowledge to make a meaningful contribution. I rely on Toby Rogers and midwesterndoctor for the serious science. I use the words that vaccines are the primary cause of autism, thus making room for other toxins to play a part, but insisting that vaccines are the most important factor. On a common sense level the digestive system can take care of a lot, but the vaccines are different in the way that they go under the skin, in the blood and to the brain. And I agree, a generational accumulative effect does make sense, but I have no idea how important it might be. One could speculate that if the mother’s immune system is overwhelmed she might pass on more toxins to the child.

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